Hi Rob, welcome to Jwn. Thanks for your input. I'm wondering, though, what the fall and redemption of mankind has to do with innocent animals suffering due to no fault of there own? Just to be clear, I never said that I don't believe in a God. I just find the idea of a loving and just God irreconcilable with animals, who have committed no sin, enduring all kinds of pain and suffering because of mankinds 'fall' .
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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More "Elders" Doubt They Are Appointed By The "Holy Spirit"!
by Bubblegum Apotheosis inthe study edition of the watchtower says the elders are appointed by jehovah's holy spirit.
it's confounding the society does not realize that more and more elders, do not accept this claim.
i have racked my brain, wondering how many brothers and sisters actually believe this, fall hook and sinker.
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DJeggnogg said: "you would attend his funeral, if you were to attend it at all, for appearances sake only, because what you have done here seems tantamount to your standing above the hole that had been dug into which the casket containing your brother has already been lowered,extracting your penis from your pants and then urinating all over it. Who does this??" -- What kind of mind would think this illustration up?.. would be a better question, in my view. Have you read post guideline 3, by the way?
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New to the forums.
by ViridianSoul ini looked all over for a place to introduce myself and either i'm completely blind or i missed it.
i figured i'd just post it here.. okay.. hello to everyone.
my name's tabitha.
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Hello and welcome. There are plenty of people here to discuss your issues with. I've been a bit oversensitive at times, but Jwn's helped to free me, psychologically at least.. and given me a different perspective of life. Hope you settle in well here :)
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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Thanks again to all who replied. I'm hoping that someone can provide a good reason as to how a loving God can watch a baby elephant be torn apart by hyenas without anyone to save it..having already built the hyenas to do such things. Would you do that if you had the power?
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Our door to door activities were a personal ministry and not recognised as representatives or volunteers of the Watchtower Bible And Tract Society
by smiddy inhow do you feel about that ?were you misled (again) after all these years ?
this article from the newspaper in the latrobe area reffering to steven unthanks case is truly disturbing.
its an affront and an insult to any and everyone who has participated in the ministry of jehovah`s witnesses over many, many years.talk about being thrown to the wolves.how low can this organization go in saving face at the expense of those whose loyalty and devotion is discarded for a perceived image.absolutely shocking.
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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Thanks ziddina.. I'd never considered that angle. Mind you, the only experience/knowledge I have in relation to fossils is that I've watched Jurassic Park, lol! Just thinking, I recall once raising the issue of parasites that feed off creatures from the inside etc to a Jw... Their reply was to shrug and say "Well, that's the way Jehovah made them". End of conversation..
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Think about it.. Has the Watchtower changed their interpretation of a Scripture? (superior authorities for example)
by The Quiet One in..now read this.
reasoning book page 65 paragraph 3 -- " two things can help us to understand the bible correctly.
first, consider the context (surrounding verses) of any statement.
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Doesn't anybody find it interesting that the interpretations they print are Gods, according to this statement? I won't bump this thread again if its not interesting..
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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Thanks for adding deep and insightful comments Cofty, as well as for actually staying on topic, unlike somebody who shall remain nameless .. Ah well I suppose it's bad karma for the last thread I hijacked, lol. Thank you Tec for your honesty and sincerity, as ever.
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Finally an Article About Unthank!
by jamiebowers inhttp://www.latrobevalleyexpress.com.au/news/local/news/general/private-prosecution-gets-thrown-out-of-court/2468225.aspx?storypage=2private prosecution gets thrown out of court.
by louis nelson.
27 feb, 2012 01:00 am.
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Technically (I know people might get annoyed here, but so be it) the WTBTS is just a legal corporation, and Jw's don't actually represent it.. They donate for/receive the literature, of which the WTBTS own copyright/ print etc, and then Jw's voluntarily distribute it basically however they want by saying whatever they want, thus not a spokesman/representative legally. The WTBTS technically has not lied, because Jw's who are not spokesmen for the WTBTS don't represent the legal corporation, and the volunteer work they do is not for the WTBTS in a legal sense.. It's something they do for themselves (and Jehovah) , in a way and time of their choosing.. I know some will say that they're told what door to go to and suggest what they might say, but in reality you can just not go door-to-door and go and sit on a park bench or count all kinds of informal witnessing. Also, ask any Jw who they are doing the voluntary work for. How many would say for the WTBTS? The WTBTS would only have been lying if they'd said " Jw's don't represent the organisation ". As any Jw would tell you, the WTBTS is just a legal entity used by the organisation. They know how to word things.. Finally, I'm glad to hear something came of Mr. Unthanks court case, a small victory but a victory nonetheless, I think :)
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Think about it.. Has the Watchtower changed their interpretation of a Scripture? (superior authorities for example)
by The Quiet One in..now read this.
reasoning book page 65 paragraph 3 -- " two things can help us to understand the bible correctly.
first, consider the context (surrounding verses) of any statement.
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..Now read this. Reasoning book page 65 paragraph 3 -- " Two things can help us to understand the Bible correctly. First, consider the context (surrounding verses) of any statement. Next, compare texts with other statements in the Bible that deal with the same subject. In that way we are letting God's own Word guide our thinking, and the interpretation is not ours but his. That is the approach taken in the Watch Tower publications. "